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Dutch Masterr · Mar 13, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

i need to know if it is worth trying to report someone for doing this...

my friend was selling a zodiac longbow for 100k+20ectos. the person he was trading to only had 100k+13 ectos. they came to an aggrement that he would give my friend the 100k+13 ectos and he would repay him the remaining amount at 10k a day. he then put my friend on his ignore list after giving him the 100k+13 ectos, so now he was ripped off 7 ectos.

just wondering if this would get a player banned/suspended if you have all the screenshots of it happening.

or does it just teach people to trust no one in game and that it was your own fault for getting yourself scammed.

*Darcy* · Mar 13, 2007, 10:14 PM // 22:14

ArenaNet will not do anything as it was a case of poor judgment on the part of your friend.

In real life, would he have done something like that? Sell something expensive and accept partial payment from someone he didn't know? Most likely, the answer would be no. Same goes in a game. He should have asked the buyer to give him surety in the form of a weapon or something of comparable value to the balance.

DeanBB · Mar 13, 2007, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Besides being at least partially a fool for entering such a deal (partial because one cannot really complain about receiving 100k+13e), what proof is there that the other party did not pay him some/all of that 10k/day?

Smile Like Umean It · Mar 14, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Or proof that he even agreed to pay him 10k a day? It was poor judgment on your friend and hopefully he's learned and won't do something like that again.

Kook~NBK~ · Mar 14, 2007, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Taking a flier on trusting a total stranger leads to bad news way too often.

My guess is your friend is out of luck, but (hopefully) has learned a valuable lesson.

savage vapor 33 · Mar 14, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

Why are all these people trusting total strangers? I mean thats a good quality, but people have to have good judgement, common sense also? But keep trusting people, your friend will find the good ones out there.

bart · Mar 14, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

I suspect ur friend plays WoW and brought the mentality from there over to GW. In WoW the ppl you play/trade with will always bump into you because you are on the same server. Lvl-ing and getting nice hard-to-get gear on their character also forces them to be nice and fair with other ppl as word gets around if you're not. Unlike in GW where you rarely bump into the same ppl because they can be on any server at any given time and a lvl 20 is so easy to roll that you can delete and make a new one just like that.

=HT=Ingram · Mar 14, 2007, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Anet will not deal with a "stupidity" scam. I'm sorry but if he didn't want to sell it for less he should not have. Indeed I have never seen anet take a transaction for over 100K serious in any way. because in their words "there is nothing in the game worth over 100k", any thing more is just market gouging. Hench the trading limit in the game.

One such thing that happened often before the "ecto standard" came to be, was the crap with multi 100k transactions for simple collector weapons. People were bait and switched for up to 500K for thins like crystalline swords, and right before the final 100k transaction either the other party would vanish and never produce the item, Or would switch it out with a fake item that had a similar skin. Like the crystalline skin from the presearing quest weapon. Or stacks of fake ecto, Otherwise known as Mursatt tokens.

Those kinds of scams got some serious repercussions like account resets, and key bans for repeat offensives. So eventually it stopped... Which was good.

But your situation is totally different. He completed a trade and recieved what was expected. YOU did not have to accept the trade if the price was not acceptable. There was no bait and switch. He did not give you fake ecto instead of real ecto. All that happened is you had a side deal that has Zero controls to be accounted for. If you wanted to enforce such a deal you should not have given him the item. You could say you will agree not to sell it until he can afford it or something like that. but you did not, you went through with the transaction and that was the end of it. There is no way for anet to enforce side trades. Its up to you to make good business sense on your deals.

Sing Toe · Mar 15, 2007, 03:44 AM // 03:44

I believe it was Ronald Andrews who said:

"Every item is worth what the purchaser will pay for."

If the purchaser said he can only afford 100k + 13 Ectos, and you Agreed VIA THE TRADE SCREEN Then the above quote becomes a universal standard.

Having a side deal that is only pixels on the screen that disappear after you log out does not fit under the above quote and therefore falls under the moral judgment of the following quotation:

Even laws set in stone can be broken. But Laws set in the minds of others have to be killed. If the community had a standard (like how WoW is kinda set up since 1 server = 1 community that most people KNOW) then there will be an expectation from all parties to accept such terms. We don't have this kind of community, and scammers can disappear into the crowd, never to be seen again.

Sing Toe

jrk247 · Mar 15, 2007, 04:03 AM // 04:03

You cannot trust strangers, simple as that. If your friend hit accept and the other guy hit accept than it's a done deal. You can't report stupid mistakes to Anet (well you can but they won't do anything to help you).

Sxy Seraphin · Mar 15, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

ya i dont think thats a good enough reason to report...u trusted him and u shouldnt have...thats jus the way it is

Mar 13, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06	#1
Dutch Masterr Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Long Island, NY Guild: Elite Knights [SWAT] Profession: W/	valid reason to report? i need to know if it is worth trying to report someone for doing this... my friend was selling a zodiac longbow for 100k+20ectos. the person he was trading to only had 100k+13 ectos. they came to an aggrement that he would give my friend the 100k+13 ectos and he would repay him the remaining amount at 10k a day. he then put my friend on his ignore list after giving him the 100k+13 ectos, so now he was ripped off 7 ectos. just wondering if this would get a player banned/suspended if you have all the screenshots of it happening. or does it just teach people to trust no one in game and that it was your own fault for getting yourself scammed.

Mar 13, 2007, 10:14 PM // 22:14	#2
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	ArenaNet will not do anything as it was a case of poor judgment on the part of your friend. In real life, would he have done something like that? Sell something expensive and accept partial payment from someone he didn't know? Most likely, the answer would be no. Same goes in a game. He should have asked the buyer to give him surety in the form of a weapon or something of comparable value to the balance.

Mar 13, 2007, 10:26 PM // 22:26	#3
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	Besides being at least partially a fool for entering such a deal (partial because one cannot really complain about receiving 100k+13e), what proof is there that the other party did not pay him some/all of that 10k/day?

Mar 14, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30	#4
Smile Like Umean It Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: E/Rt	Or proof that he even agreed to pay him 10k a day? It was poor judgment on your friend and hopefully he's learned and won't do something like that again.

Mar 14, 2007, 02:33 AM // 02:33	#5
Kook~NBK~ Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A little chalet outside Drok's Guild: Natural Born Killaz	Taking a flier on trusting a total stranger leads to bad news way too often. My guess is your friend is out of luck, but (hopefully) has learned a valuable lesson.

Mar 14, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26	#6
savage vapor 33 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Regems Basement Guild: The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]	Why are all these people trusting total strangers? I mean thats a good quality, but people have to have good judgement, common sense also? But keep trusting people, your friend will find the good ones out there.

Mar 14, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49	#7
bart Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	I suspect ur friend plays WoW and brought the mentality from there over to GW. In WoW the ppl you play/trade with will always bump into you because you are on the same server. Lvl-ing and getting nice hard-to-get gear on their character also forces them to be nice and fair with other ppl as word gets around if you're not. Unlike in GW where you rarely bump into the same ppl because they can be on any server at any given time and a lvl 20 is so easy to roll that you can delete and make a new one just like that.

Mar 14, 2007, 06:36 AM // 06:36	#8
=HT=Ingram Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Guild: Haz Team [HT] Profession: R/W	Anet will not deal with a "stupidity" scam. I'm sorry but if he didn't want to sell it for less he should not have. Indeed I have never seen anet take a transaction for over 100K serious in any way. because in their words "there is nothing in the game worth over 100k", any thing more is just market gouging. Hench the trading limit in the game. One such thing that happened often before the "ecto standard" came to be, was the crap with multi 100k transactions for simple collector weapons. People were bait and switched for up to 500K for thins like crystalline swords, and right before the final 100k transaction either the other party would vanish and never produce the item, Or would switch it out with a fake item that had a similar skin. Like the crystalline skin from the presearing quest weapon. Or stacks of fake ecto, Otherwise known as Mursatt tokens. Those kinds of scams got some serious repercussions like account resets, and key bans for repeat offensives. So eventually it stopped... Which was good. But your situation is totally different. He completed a trade and recieved what was expected. YOU did not have to accept the trade if the price was not acceptable. There was no bait and switch. He did not give you fake ecto instead of real ecto. All that happened is you had a side deal that has Zero controls to be accounted for. If you wanted to enforce such a deal you should not have given him the item. You could say you will agree not to sell it until he can afford it or something like that. but you did not, you went through with the transaction and that was the end of it. There is no way for anet to enforce side trades. Its up to you to make good business sense on your deals.

Mar 15, 2007, 03:44 AM // 03:44	#9
Sing Toe Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: The Royal Rose Profession: R/Me	I believe it was Ronald Andrews who said: "Every item is worth what the purchaser will pay for." If the purchaser said he can only afford 100k + 13 Ectos, and you Agreed VIA THE TRADE SCREEN Then the above quote becomes a universal standard. Having a side deal that is only pixels on the screen that disappear after you log out does not fit under the above quote and therefore falls under the moral judgment of the following quotation: Even laws set in stone can be broken. But Laws set in the minds of others have to be killed. If the community had a standard (like how WoW is kinda set up since 1 server = 1 community that most people KNOW) then there will be an expectation from all parties to accept such terms. We don't have this kind of community, and scammers can disappear into the crowd, never to be seen again. Sing Toe

Mar 15, 2007, 04:03 AM // 04:03	#10
jrk247 Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Twenty Gold For Mountain Troll [Tusk]	You cannot trust strangers, simple as that. If your friend hit accept and the other guy hit accept than it's a done deal. You can't report stupid mistakes to Anet (well you can but they won't do anything to help you).

Mar 15, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19	#11
Sxy Seraphin Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2007 Profession: E/	ya i dont think thats a good enough reason to report...u trusted him and u shouldnt have...thats jus the way it is